Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996
From:(Norman Miller)
Reproductions of the third-run LAT 70 spinner will soon be available. Those
in need should contact:
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:23:24 -0700
From:Bill and Carol Rogers
To:Rich Wilton,
In view of the notorious handling of Tigers on stock wheels/tires Rich's concerns were mine too - the widest/best tires without altering a stock car. After much measuring I ended up with 6J13 H2 GB wheels (rally Minilite replicas) and 205 60R13 86H 008's. Minor rolling of the inside lip of the rear fenders was required and one side still touches on big bumps, when heavily loaded for TU. BTW how does one move the axle over 1/8 without cutting and welding stops?
Bill Rogers
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From:Rich Wilton
Subject: Good Hood
Date: Thursday, July 31, 1997 9:00 PM
Hello to all,
The hood on my Tiger is in pretty ruff shape. I need to find a
company that makes fiberglass hoods with a small scoop. If anyone knows
of a company would you please let me know. The other question I have is
the widest wheels and tires that fit on a tiger without body
alteration.The handling of my car is very important with the new air
shocks and sway bars but the tires are the final piece for me.
Thanks much
Rich Wilton
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997
From: Bill and Carol Rogers
CC:Dave McDermott
Steve Laifman
Rich Wilton
Being a simple engineer I got confused about talking wheels and tires under the heading of Rich Wilton's request for a hood. My reply about the max size of wheels/tires that can fit a stock body generated some responses. The stock steel wheel was 4 1/2 J ie 4.5 wide where the tire fits (Factory homologated rim width 116.5mm). Optional Mag alloy wheels were 127mm (5) or 140mm (5 1/2) as registered with FIA. Those are the Minilites in all the rally pictures, except in snow when they used narrow steel wheels. When I got my hands on B9472703 it had 5 1/2 steel wheels dated '65 and '66 fitted with Tigerpaws - obviously the only thing that should touch the ground on a stock Tiger. (I wonder if the concourse judges mark people down for no Tigerpaws?) Stock rolling radius is 11.5 I have never read anything about these wider wheels. PO (or OO Original Owner, my bro-in -law) bought them in the LA area.
When I fitted Pirelli CN36 185/70HR13 rolling radius changed to 11.0. In about 1988 I was looking for Minilites to put on the car. They were not available but Brit manufacturer GB made some very similar. I had an English buddy find out what fitted a Tiger and he sent me the 6 wide 6J13 H2's and I fitted Yoko 008's 205/60R13's. Price in '88 was 41 Brit pounds ea plus $100 air ship for 4.
These tires have about 0.75 clearance from the rear springs and touch the LR fender in spite of rolling the edge (no flare). Both are rolled so the axle is off a bit. I would rather have an occasional touch than move spring perches. Dave McDermott suggested adjusting the Panhard rod which sounds like something to try.
Other UK makers of Minilite replicas who have come on the scene since then are a reincarnation of Minilite, (I have those on a Cooper S), Minilight, Minator and or course the similar? Panasport over here. I am not sure what people count as offset but the CL of the GB's is about 1/2 inboard of the mounting face.
Bill Rogers
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:38:23 -0700
From:Bill and Carol Rogers
To:Steve Laifman
Jorquera, Mario
Tigers
The stock steel wheel was 4 1/2 J ie 4.5 wide where the tire fits (Factory homologated rim width 116.5mm, rolling radius 11.5). Optional Mag alloy wheels were 127mm (5) or 140mm (5 1/2) as registered with FIA. Those are the Minilites in all the rally pictures, except in snow when they used narrow steel wheels.
When I fitted Pirelli CN36 185/70HR13 on 5 1/2 steel wheels, rolling radius changed to 11.0. In about 1988 I was looking for Minilites to put on the car. They were not available but Brit manufacturer GB made some very similar. I had an English buddy find out what fitted a Tiger and he sent me the 6 wide 6J13 H2's and I fitted Yoko 008's 205/60R13's. Price in '88 was 41 Brit pounds ea plus $100 air ship for 4.
These tires have about 0.75 clearance from the rear springs and touch the LR fender in spite of rolling the edge (no flare). Both are rolled so the axle is off a bit. I would rather have an occasional touch than move spring perches. Dave McDermott suggested adjusting the Panhard rod which sounds like something to try. These are as wide as any tires I have seen on a Tiger without flares.
Bill Rogers
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From:Steve Laifman
To:Mario Jorquera
Subject: Re: Center hub knockoffs and tires that fit
Date: Wednesday, September 03, 1997
Mario Jorquera wrote:
I also have 175-70X13 Dunlops in front, and they touch the bottom edge
of the front quarter panel, below the headlight, but only at large steering
angles and only in reverse! This goes to show what strange things the
Tiger's unique front suspension will do under load! In the rear, I have
plain 175X13s, and these touch the outside lip of the fender, but only
when I go over large bumps or whop-de-do's. With only these minor
annoyances, these seem to be the largest tires that will fit without
significant fenderwell modifications.
I hope this helps.
Mario
B 9471239
Mario,
With a VIN so close to mine (1050 different), I felt I should help. I have Michelin X 185x70x13's. A bit larger than your size. These were installed by the PO on American Racing 8 spoke original dealer option. They have screw-on thread knock-offs, with the '60's style octagonal shape. The knock-off shape was ruled illegal after a policeman was knicked by an ear of a passing wire wheel. I really don't believe this story, as anyone that close to the car could be torn apart by a myriad of other bit's and pieces, including fender mirrors. Which, by the way, were required to be spring-loaded in the early '60's as well. I was able to find a source for new screw-on knock-offs with two curved ears, three straight ears, and three curved ears. I bought a set of the later, because that was the original shape before the ears were laid in towards the spokes. The Alpine wheels used this 3 spoke in-leaning design in the later 60's.
Regarding fit, scrub, and whoop-de-do's, the PO had neatly taken care of 3/4 of the problem. In the front, he had the forward bottom edge of the fender curled inward so the point of the wheel arch and lower fender edge moved inward and forward. This prevented tire scrub. On the rear, he had removed the excess lip of the fender/inner wheel well seam. The fender lip is welded to the inner panel, and the horizontal protusion of the fender lip was scrubbing the sidewall of the tire on a two-passenger road dip on the freeway. Kept blaming my wife, cause it only happened when she was with me ({8-).
My Queen said We are NOT amused. In looking it over, only the right hand side scrubbed. I measured the clearances and thought the axle wasn't centered, because the clearances were different. Turns out the PO had trimmed the left side only. Steve Alcala trimmed back the right side excess fender lip, with a die grinder, till the fender lip matched the wheel-well lip. This cured the problems. So, even with my 1/2 inch negative offset wheels and 185x70x13 tires it holds. Good size for highway use, as it gives more mph/1000 rpm. Still small enough to get rubber in third.
Hope this helps. My thanks to Steve Alcala for his good work.
Steve Laifman
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997
From:, Mark
To anyone running a late model American wheel on their Tiger,
The best solution I found was a E/T style lug nut. It has both the taper and a sleeve like a mag wheel lug nut. This gives a tight, well centered fit. I use Gorilla lug nuts, part # 68177B - 7/16. Be sure to check the depth of the lug nut against the length of the wheel stud.
Lets Play it Safe out there,
Mark
Jim Barrett wrote:
John,
... The Tiger has 4X 4 1/4 pattern. A lot of 4 bolt Mustang, Caprii and Pinto wheels also have the 4 X 4 1/4 pattern, but they usually have slightly larger stud holes than the Tiger. If you are considering changing the wheels, be aware that the taper on the TIGER/Alpine lug nuts is sharper than the taper on US lug nuts and most aftermarket replacements. If you use Tiger nuts on a US wheel it is likely that the taper on the nut and the wheel does not match and vice versa. You can mess up the holes in the wheels with the wrong lug nuts.
I have yet to see a wheel come off due to the wrong taper of lug nuts, but it is a problem waiting to happen.
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998
From:, Bill and Carol Rogers
To: joe brackin
I am running 205/60-13 Yoko 008's on 6 Minilite rims on the Tiger and had to do minor work on the rear fender inside flange only. Offset may differ from Harold Hartsell's wheels. I am on my third set of A509's on my Supra daily driver - great.
Bill Rogers B9472703
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From: Joe Brackin
To: Tiger List
Subject: Time for new tires
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998
It's time for new tires and I was wondering if anybody knows if 205x60x13 will fit
with no sheetmetal work? I am currently running 175x70x13. Will I have to test fit
to be sure? Any advice on a brand? I have been considering some Yokohama A509.
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:39:54
From:Bob Palmer
To: Dick Barker
Dick, et al.,
A friend of mine came across the following web site that focuses on the Dunlop SP8000 tire and has more generally useful data on tire sizes, diameters, radii, measured @ effective circumferences. The site is: <http://www.voicemail.com/geeser/sp8000.htm/
A little explanation may be helpful. The Dia and Circ columns are simply related by pi as expected for circumference and radius in the ideal case. The values for Rad I believe are the static compressed radii which can be used to determine ride height when the car is not moving. The Actual numbers are the effective circumferences taking into account various factors which I presume include factors that come into play on the highway like tire slippage and centrifugal force. The R/mile values and the Actual numbers are consistent, based on 63,360 /mi (5280x12).
As you can see, the effective circumference is significantly less than the measured, unloaded, static value. On the other hand, it is larger than the value based on the static loaded radius. In fact, the effective radii values in this table are very close to halfway between these extremes. Not knowing exactly what assumptions went into these numbers, I can only assume that they represent approximate values based on factors like speed and road conditions. For most of us, these numbers should be close enough, and are a much better approximation than putting a tape measure around the tire.
So why is there a difference between actual and measured circumference. This is a tricky question and one which I've given some thought to since our last conversation.
If one accepts that the actual tire circumference (peripheral)dimension does not change when the tire is loaded, then how is it that the distance the car moves is not just equal to the circumference. The answer is to consider the tangential motion at various positions around the perimeter of the tire. With a perfectly round tire and the center of rotation in the center, the motion is everywhere the same.
BUT, if the tire is compressed, then the center of rotation is no longer at the center of the tire and different parts of the tread are
moving differently; more or less depending on their respective radii from the center of rotation (axle). If the motion over the whole circumference is integrated (summed) then, again assuming no change in total circumference, one revolution at the axis gives one revolution at the perimeter. BUT, the distance moved in this ideal case is the compressed radius of the tire.
Now, in practice, this value is an underestimate of the distance travelled because of other factors, some of which I have mentioned and others which I may not have thought of.
Based on this discussion and the numbers you can get from the above web site, if you calibrate your odometer by measuring how many revolutions of the speedo cable in 1/100 mile, your answer will be high by about 5%;i.e, the difference between the distance based on compressed radius which would apply for slowly rolling the car and the actual values that apply to normal driving down the road.
Hope this at least sheds a little more light (perhaps too much) on the subject.
Best regards,
Bob
Bob Palmer
UCSD, AMES Dept.
Bob Palmer
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998
18:47:59 EDT
From: Mike Wood
To: Crimmins
In a message dated 98-07-18 03:06:37 EDT,
you write:
Any tips on good tires and which where to order them. I would like tires rated or overrated for the cars performance.
There are a limited number of choices running a 13 rim. The question is, are you willing to fit a tire which is not very suitable for wet conditions? Most of us have gone from Yokohama A008s (no longer available in 185/70 or 205/60) to the BF Goodrich Comp TA R1 (205/60-13). I've also known some to run Kumho and Toyo. The thing is, all the above are marginal in terms of wet weather traction and wear rating. If you need a more all around tire, try Yokohama AVS intermediate (205/60-13).
As far as prices go, I've had great luck at America's Tire Company and Mark Morris here in the SF Bay Area. What I do is get the mail order price from Tire Rack or Discount Tire Center and then ask the manager of both those chains to meet it.
This has led to myr consistently buying all my tires at what I think is a very competitive price.
Mike Wood
'67 Tiger 302
'67 Crusader FV vintage racer
'77 Yamaha RD 400 cafe racer
soon to be '65 Falcon FIA replica
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998
From:Gary A Winblad
To: Mike Sutter
Mike,
I too am in need of some new Panasports!
Here is what Ken Mattice says in his spec sheet for his car:
7 Rear Wheels & Tires Without Fender Lip Modification; Rear: 7x15 Panasport Formula Sport Wheels w/24mm. offset; Yokohama A008-RS, 205/50/ZR-15 Tires;
Front:6x15 Panasport Formula Sport Wheels w/22mm. offset; Yokohama A008-RS, 195/50/ZR-15 Tires.
I've seen his car, it is 1st class everywhere, he is very meticulous! It looks like his sizes are in your catalog, excellent!
I want to go with the 15 inch size, the smaller 14s might give you a better(smoother) ride but with less ultimate grip...
Gary
On Thu, 30 Jul 1998Mike Sutter
writes:
Listers,
I am looking into replacing the wheels on my Mk1A. I would like to
install a set of Panasports, or something similar. I would like to hear
from you regarding 13 vs 14 vs 15, widths and offsets. Yes, I
do know what offset is. I've seen the Panasport catalog and done some
drawings comparing the stock steel wheel and the 3 suggested sizes in
the 15 Formula Sport model. They offer a 15 x 6.0 w/ 22mm offset, a
15 x 7w/ 24mm offset (rear only) and a 15 x 7 w/ 15mm offset. All these
appear to be real close to impossible to fit. Has anyone done a 15 without
sheet-metal modifications?
They recommend a 195/55-15 for the 6 and a 205/55-15 for the 7s listed above.
I would like to at least go with a 14.
Any info on your set-ups would be nice.
Thanks for your past (ignition, alternator) and future suggestions.
M. Sutter B382002475
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998
From:Dick Barker
To:Mike Sutter
CC:
Mike,
I run the 15mm 15 x 7 Panasports front & rear, with the 205/50-15 A008RS tires. Yes, my front fender lips have been trimmed on the inside only, plus the usual easing of the arc radius where it meets the front valance.
On cars fitted with larger wheels, there is sometimes an interference problem between the inner lip of the wheel rim and the outer edge of the upper A-arm, outboard of the ball joint. It most often occurs when backing out of a driveway, etc. Both Bob Palmer and I solved this problem by fitting the early Alpine upper A-arms with the bolt-in ball joints, an idea we took from the Le Mans coupe. It totally solves the problem, gives you solid bushings on the upper A-arms, and makes changing upper ball joints a snap. Stop by sometime when you're in SD and have a look.
Dick Barker
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998
12:22:58 -0700
From:Mike Sutter
To: Listers,
For your information: I installed a new set of Panasports on my Tiger. Originally 3 types of wheels were available for the Tiger, 15x6 24mm offset, 15x7 22mm offset (rear only) and 15x7 15mm offset (rear only). Upon ordering I was informed that 2 offsets were currently available. The 15x6 24mm and a new 15x7 20mm. This is the configuration I went with. I mounted 195/50ZR15's on the 15x6's up front, and 205/50ZR15's on the 15x7's on the back. A 55 series tire was recommended by Panasport, but I couldn't get the tires I wanted in that aspect ratio. The new rim/tire combo bolts up without any frame or body contact. The inner sidewall on the rear tires clear the leafs by 1/2. The 55 series tires would have been really tight on the front edge of the front fender arch when turning with any body roll. The inflated diameters of the tires are 22.7 on the 195's and 23.1 on the 205's. BTW I installed BFG Comp TA ZR's.
It sure makes a difference in the way the car feels and looks. For $1300.00US, It better make a difference.
M.S. '66 Tiger
Pannasports
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998
From:Bob Palmer
To:GS Waybright
Stephen,
The 15 Panasports look fine and there are some distinct advantages over the 14. First, you can use a deeper offset in the front which is beneficial from both a clearance and handling viewpoint. Also, I consider 50 series tires de-rigor and on a 15 rim the overall diameter is about stock. Finally, I believe you will have a better selection of tires in the 15 diameter. Don't worry, they won't look too big on your car. And you can always park next to someone with 16 or 17 wheels and look modest in comparison.
I'm including Mike Sutter's recent post about his purchase of Panasports in case you missed it. I can tell you that the ideal rear spacing for the front wheels is 4 &3/4. This will let you put a 7 wide rim on, although it probably requires some trimming of the lower valence. But hasn't everyone had to do this?
For an image, try Norm's Web Site. Or STOA and pictures from the Tigers Uniteds.
Happy motoring,
Bob
Listers,
For your information: I installed a new set of Panasports on my Tiger.
Originally 3 types of wheels were available for the Tiger, 15x6 24mm
offset, 15x7 22mm offset (rear only) and 15x7 15mm offset (rear only).
Upon ordering I was informed that 2 offsets were currently available. The
15x6 24mm and a new 15x7 20mm. This is the configuration I went with.
I mounted 195/50ZR15's on the 15x6's up front, and 205/50ZR15's on the
15x7's on the back. A 55 series tire was recommended by Panasport, but I
couldn't get the tires I wanted in that aspect ratio. The new rim/tire combo
bolts up without any frame or body contact. The inner sidewall on the rear
tires clear the leafs by 1/2. The 55 series tires would have been really tight
on the front edge of the front fender arch when turning with any body roll.
The inflated diameters of the tires are 22.7 on the 195's and 23.1 on the
205's. BTW I installed BFG Comp TA ZR's.
It sure makes a difference in the way the car feels and looks. For
$1300.00US, It better make a difference.
M.S. '66 Tiger
GS Waybright
wrote:
Does anyone know of internet images of a Tiger with 15 Panasports or 14
Panasports. I would like to go with the 15 & 205-50R15 but really need to
see a couple good photo's for perspective. I saw a really nice Resto-mod
Tiger in Mustangs & Fords magazine, owned by Chuck Roberts which has the
appearance which I'm going for. Unfortunately, the article didn't specify if
he was running 14 or 15 rims. I'm guessing 15 but want to be sure before
I buy anything.
Stephen Waybright
65 Tiger
65 Alpine
73 Jensen Healey
74 Jensen Interceptor
Robert L. Palmer
Dept. of AMES, Univ. of Calif., San Diego
Bob Palmer
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:52:55
-0500
From:Tom B. Ballou
To:Steve Laifman
Steve, actually I have a set of aluminum wheels with the conical lug holes. All the Ford factory aluminum wheels (such as the Mustang 15x7 wheels I have) use conical lugnuts and have 1/2 holes. I counterbored mine out to 11/16 and spot faced them so I could use mag type nuts and keep my 7/16 studs. I also have a set of LAT 70s, but the tire selection for 13x5.5 wheels is getting thin. The 15x7s can use up to 205/50x15 tires, for which there is a plethora of performance tires. Why they use the conical seats is a mystery to me, but apparently they work OK. Perhaps, with modern tires, the typical wheel doesn't come off very often, perhaps once in 50,000 miles unless you get a lot of flats, so wear from tighteningand loosening may not be a big consideration.
Tom
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From: Steve Laifman
Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998
AM
To: Tom B. Ballou
Cc: 'Mike Sutter'
Tom B. Ballou wrote:
............ The Chrysler people always thought it was inportant,
particularly with aluminum wheels which are more heat sensitive.
Tom Ballou
Tom,
Absolutely correct about aluminum wheels being sensitive.
The solution is to torque the lug nuts on all the wheels, after a replacement, to the correct value (I believe 50 ft.lbs., but could be wrong). Then, MOST importantly, re-torque them a week later. This will probably be all you need to do to stabilize the lug tension/aluminum creep. A check, occasionally, isn't out of order.
This relaxation of the compressed aluminum is independent of wheel rotation/thread hand. It is a function of aluminum compression/relaxation, and can occur on any wheel.
BTW: If you don't have flat steel washers under the head of the flat lug
nut, on non-conical lug nuts as in most aluminum
wheels, you are courting problems.
Steve
--
Steve Laifman
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:23:58 -0700
From:Timothy Beloney
To: Chris Albers Paul Heuer
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52.50
What does this mean in US $? How much is shipping to SF Bay area? I might be interested in buying a set for my S2 even though I won't need them until next spring. Also, if I buy 5 will the spare fit in the trunk (boot) where
my current spare is snuggled in?
Tim
62 S2 future V-6 or Rotary (I STILL can't decide!)
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher.Albers@bubbs.biola.edu
Christopher Albers
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 1998
To: Paul Heuer
RESENDING THIS DUE TO LACK OF RESPONSE. This is the last time I'll send this out, so if anyone's interested this is the last chance to buy Superlites at wholesale. Without a minimum purchase of 40 wheels the deal falls through.
All,
here is the latest information that I've been able to obtain regarding our group purchase of Superlite wheels. There is still time to join in on the purchase if anyone is still interested.
We are also still waiting to get prices from Performance Industries, Australia. The following prices are from Superlite UK, who now manufacture the most popular sizes, the rest come from Australia. Since the exchange rate is so high with the UK ($1.60 per 1), I think it'd be best if we could purchase directly from Performance Australia. We'll wait and see what prices Paul Heuer is able to come up with.
Below are the wholesale prices (unfortunately they did not give me prices for all sizes they sell) including the cost of shipping and excluding the 2% customs duty. Below that is the application chart they sent me. Just FYI, if we were to purchase 200 wheels there would be a further 10% discount, so if you know anyone else looking for wheels.....
5x12-49.50
6x13-52.50
7x13-54.00
They also sell 5x10, 5.5x13, 8x13, & 6x14
This is a complete (except I left out Mitsubishi, Opel, Peugeot and Vauxhall) list of applications, if you know someone (or of
another list that I haven't sent this to) who owns another make who might be interested, forward it to them. The more we buy, the cheaper it is.
BTW, PCD is Pitch Circle Diameter and is the measurement of the lug pattern. I do not know what the p stands for in the Offset column. Perhaps someone can enlighten us.
Alfa Romeo
Alfa Sud
6x13
23p 4-98
BMW
1600,2002
6x13
23p 4-100
B/Leyland
Marina
6x13
23p 4-95
Caterham
Super 7
23p 4-95
Chevy
Vega, Monza
6x13
13p 4-101.3
Datsun
1600, 2000
6x13
13p 4-114.3
Fiat
850, 124, 128
6x13
23p 4-98
X19, 131,132
Ford
Escort, Capri, Cortina
6x13
23p 4-108
Fiesta
5x12
23p 4-108
Ginetta
G4, G12
6x13
13p 4-101.3
Hillman
Avenger-Hunter
6x13
23p 4-108
Imp
6x13
3p 4-101.3
Honda
S800 ,S600
6x13
13p 4-100
Jensen Healey
Conv.
6x13
13p 4-95
Lotus
Elan Europa
6x13
23p 4-95
Super 7
6x13
23p 4-108
Cortina
6x13
13p 4-108
MG
Midget
6x13
13p 4-101.3
Mazda
RX-2, -3, -4 -7
6x13
13p 4-110
Mini
All Models
5x12
13p 4-101.3
6x13
13p 4-101.3
7x13
13p 4-101.3 (?)
Simca
1100 Special, 1204
6x13
23p 4-98
Sunbeam
Alpine, Tiger
6x13
Talbot
Lotus (?)
6x13
23p 4-108
Toyota
Corolla, Celica
6x13,7x13
23p 4-114.3
Triumph
TR7/8
6x13
13p 4-95
Spitfire, GT6
6x13
23p 4-95
Obviously this application chart does not list every size that will fit each car, only what they recommend. It also does not list all models. We will have to enquire directly with Superlite on models that don't appear here. We'll also have to make certain that other sizes will fit our cars if you wish to go with a size that is not listed here. E-mail me your needs and I will forward them to Superlite.
I am organizing this venture strictly out of my own desire to buy wheels at a good price. I'm not going to make any money off it, so please, only SERIOUS buyers reply. It is and has taken me considerable time for me to answer everyone's enquiries and to correspond with Superlite UK.
Thanks for your consideration. I hope to have this deal closed soon, so if you are interested contact me ASAP.
Christopher Albers
'67 Alpine SV od BRG
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998
EDT
From: Dick Barker
To: Steve Laifman
CC: Bo Cheadle
Steve,
Your post on the American 8-spokeSilverstone wheels brings to mind a bit of Tiger history and nostalgia.
The Larry Reed car you refer to was the record setting drag racing Tiger driven by Gordon Chittenden. In his book Performance Tuning the Sunbeam Tiger Chittenden says on page 43 that the Silverstones were available in widths
of 5.5 and 6 inches. Yet his photo caption on page 125 says the width was 6.5 inches. Since his book is known to contain much misinformation, I have always regarded these numbers with tounge-in-cheek. I do remember that the wheels were cast in both aluminum and magnesium, most often the latter, had both type of hubs as you describe, and for the Sunbeam, had different offsets front and rear. I had my hands on a set many year ago, but I don't remember anything about the width except that it was very narrow--on the order of 5 inches, but perhaps 4.5 as you say. I surely never saw any that were anywhere near as wide as those listed by Chittenden. For this reason, IMHO the wheels are not particularly desirable today, especially the magnesium version. But they certainly are period-correct for a Tiger.
And a definite part of Tiger history.
Those who find all this history and nostalgia BS boring and distasteful should SELECT YOUR DELETE KEY NOW.
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When your car was owned by Howie Schoenfeld, he mounted a set of the Silverstones in time for that year's Tigers United. Howie felt strongly that the wheels were definitely correct for a Tiger, probably because as a boy, he could remember his neighbor driving a Sunbeam with the same wheels. The neighbor, of course, was Ian Garrad, and the car was the very first Tiger, the Miles prototype. Ian had fitted the Silverstones after ripping out the spokes of the original Alpine wheels. For color picture of this car with the Silverstones installed, check Norm Miller's web page at:
I am including a reiteration of a letter which appeared on page 8 of the September 1977 issue of the STOA newsletter, Tiger Tracks, in an article titled This is an Alpine? By Ian Garrad, Father of the Tiger. The picture referenced above appeared in black & white at the head of the article.
This was the very first Tiger to hit the streets, i.e., the one prepared by Ken Miles. My love for strong colors resultedmin the candy apple red paint job. Depending on the amount of sunlight, it seemed to change color several times a day.
As you can see, we went to a lot of trouble to retain the Alpine identification, even to a single tail pipe. Internally, the only give away was a special Sun Tachometer, and the automatic transmission selector.
I put five thousand miles on this car in a little over two weeks, including two days going up and down the hills in San Francisco, plus several blasts up and down the coast between San Francisco and Los Angeles.
The car started out with wire wheels, but we had to change to mags right away, as the power ripped out the spokes on the stock Alpine wires.
Some of my fondest memories are the moments I wiped the smiles off the faces of various Jag, Corvette and Healy 3000 owners--particularly as they could see that I wasn't shifting gears because of the automatic. A great Fun Car and a real traffic stopper in appearance.
Imagine being Howie back in those days!
Dick Barker
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998
From: Mike Wood
To: Larry Wright
In a message dated 98-09-24 08:28:50 EDT,
you write:
<< If you share both bike and Tiger interests, you may be interested in the
possibility of fitting Campagnolo wheels to a Tiger. Sadly, it's not a bolt-on swap.
There is a Campagnolo wheel which does work just fine in a Tiger application.
In the mid-late 70s, a five spoke star wheel (similar to standard equip. on the Ferrari Daytona) was produced in size 13X6.5 which a lot of guys fitted onto their Capri IIs. Stan Clark has a set, anodized gold finish, which he has mounted up with some relatively wide tires (I think 215/60-13) and he runs them on his Tiger during open track, Virginia City Hillclimb etc. I'm pretty sure it is the exact same bolt pattern as the Tiger. Makes sense, four lugMustang (Fox platform) wheels fit fine also.
Mike Wood
B382002273
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998
06:25:31 -0800 (PST)
From: (Armand & Lorie Ritchie)
It's time to change the tires on the MKIA. I have been running
Yokohama A008R's 185 70 13. I can't get them anymore here in NC.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Paul
Paul, Yokohama has a web site, you could send them an email and ask what equivalent tire that they make now: <http://www.yokohamatire.com/
regards Armand
ritchie@mcn.org
Armand & Lorie Ritchie
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:12:31 -0700
From: Frank Bonifazi
To: Bob Palmer
CC: Paul Sheahan
I'm running Dunlap 205 60 13 GT-Qualifiers on my Minilites and I just checked Discount Tires last week and thay have them for only $53 (my spare looks like the original bias-ly tire still in the boot). They said they still have a good selection of other 13s. I see their add in Autoweek regularly.
I like them not only for the great prices but I have a local store here in Ft. Collins, and they have the same prices as the catalog. I save shipping and can take a look at the tires before buying. I got 4 Dunlap SP8000s (225 60 16s) a few months ago ther for $89ea!
Ciao,
Frank Bonifazi
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Author: Non-HP-rpalmer
Bob Palmer
Date: 12/16/98
Paul,
Another good place to check is The TireRack's website.
<http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirebrand_f.html
Bob
At 08:00 AM 12/16/98 -0500, MR PAUL R SHEAHAN wrote:
It's time to change the tires on the MKIA. I have been running
Yokohama A008R's 185 70 13. I can't get them anymore here in NC.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Paul
Robert L. Palmer
Dept. of AMES, Univ. of Calif., San Diego
rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu
rpalmer@cts.com
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:50:08
-0800
From: Bob Palmer
To: (MR PAUL R SHEAHAN)
Paul, et Listers,
I just took a look at these tires on their Web site and they seem to be a good choice given the limited selection available for 13 diameter rims; i.e., almost nil. I'm confused by their statement about the UTQG of 160AA (oem) and 260AA (others). The lower the mileage number the stickier the tire. My Yokohamas (AVS Intemediate) also have a UTQG of 160AA. The last set lasted about two years of occasionally hard use and a total of about 25-30k highway miles which is about as much wear as I'd want them to have. And their price for the 205/50-15 size is $130/ea versus $49/ea for the RE92's. I have driven the Bridgestone Expedias on my Tiger and I was very impressed with their crisp response compared with the AVS's. I don't know if this relates at all to the RE92's, but maybe it shows that at least Bridgestone is capable of building good tires.
If you ever decide to get new rims, I recommend going to 15 diameter, both for better handling and, perhaps most important, better selection of high performance types. Better yet would be 16 diameter, but this starts to look a little out of proportion on a Tiger (IMHO of course). Also, the 50 series on 15 diameter is about the same overall diameter as your 13 rims and tires.
Let us know what you think to the new tires if you decide to get them. One thing for sure, they will be a lot better in the rain than the 008's
Happy New Year,
Bob
At 09:07 PM 12/30/98 -0500, MR PAUL R
SHEAHAN wrote:
Hello All,
I am still searching for tires. Tire Rack recommends
Bridgestone Potenza RE92's. They aren't A008R's but such is life. I
want to stay with my 185 70 13 size so this is what they recommend.
Has anyone had any experience with these tires or this brand.
Any help would be appreciated.
Paul R. Sheahan
Robert L. Palmer
Dept. of AMES, Univ. of Calif., San Diego
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